4.17 | Relaxing Into the Seasons and Cycles of Money with Katya Nova

>> Isha Vela: Welcome to Devotional Anarchy, a podcast about intimate, embodied leadership that is radically human, honest af, and thereby inherently disruptive to systems of disempowerment and disconnection. I’m Isha Vela, trauma psychologist, certified somatic practitioner, wealth wizard, licensed financial professional, leadership coach, and intuitive business mentor. You’re here because, you know, self intimacy and self knowledge is the source of everything you want to create in your life. And that building safety and trust in your body is what allows you to fully own and store your energy in the direction of your desires. This season, get ready for deep dives into wealth building spirituality, emotional leadership, and human centered business with an activist twist. The conversations and tools shared in this podcast are your permission slip to manifest a life and business that lights your soul on fire and supports collective liberation. Of all the podcast episodes I’ve recorded over the last three and a half years, I’ve never had a conversation quite like this or about this. And I’m so not surprised. I had it with Katya Nova. Katya is a brilliant storyteller. She’s an entrepreneur and a barefoot jungle mama of four living in Costa Rica, living her best life. And her mission is to move more money through the hands of women. She’s the creator, if you remember, of several viral events and offerings, including last year’s wealthy woman vault and this year’s wealthy Woman 2024. Yes, you heard that right. We’re doing it again. In this episode, we give you the inconvenient and unpopular truths about what it means to be in flow with money. And let me tell you, nobody talks about this. We’re talking about what consistency looks like when you are in flow with money. And Katya and I share stories that, illuminate the cyclical and seasonal nature of everything, including, of course, money and love. And this conversation is. It turned out to be an hour long because, you know, every. Every minute is worth a listen. And we could have gone longer because the conversation was so juicy and deep, we didn’t want to stop. And what we’re both hoping is that this episode, this conversation, feels like a gentle permission slip into deeper relaxation about money. So come sit at the table and listen to us spill the tea on what it truly means to receive.

Katya talks about love and money on today’s podcast

All right, Katya, we’re gonna. We’re gonna go there today. We’re gonna go. Oh.

>> Katya Nova: Oh, it hurts so good. Oh, I took a little stretch. Like, really, you can. You could just. You could just tackle me with all the things.

>> Isha Vela: I had to dance. I had to dance before we got on the. On this call together, because I was like, I wanted to be in all of the. All of my relaxed sensuality, to be able to hold space for this conversation that is sort of like, we had a little chat before, what’s coming through the collective, what’s moving through us, and it was love and money and how it’s related and. Yeah. So that just feels like a really sweet space.

>> Katya Nova: What did you dance to? What song?

>> Isha Vela: there’s, this song called constant crush that I just never tire of. The group is called verite, and it’s like the mansionaire remix. Sick, sick beats.

>> Katya Nova: I love it. Okay, I’m gonna put it on as soon as we’re done. I love finding jam songs. Mine was maybe a bit cliche, but I put on, love is the new money. That song.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, I like that one. Yes.

>> Katya Nova: It just felt so fitting to prepare for this conversation, because we’ve had the best voice note exchanges lately about this very thing about love and money. And I’ve had experiences of just listening to your voice on a WhatsApp, voice note, and me just going, oh.

>> Isha Vela: Really?

>> Katya Nova: Because it’s truth. Right. And that’s how, you know, because you feel it in your body.

>> Isha Vela: Yes. The truth will ping. Yes, absolutely. And it’s funny, because when you. When you and I were going back and forth about, like, oh, what’s coming through today? What? Like, what wants to be, like, what wants to be addressed? Or what wants to be, like, brought in, I started to have memories of periods in my life where maybe I’m getting ahead of myself, but, like, thinking of seasons in my life where, like, love and relationships were incredibly abundant, and it was just, like, coming from all directions. And then there have been seasons where it was, like, heartbreak after heartbreak after heartbreak, and I was like, what the. I can’t get this right. Like, I can’t. I can’t seem to make a relationship work right. And so I was thinking about that in sort of. In the sort of money sense of, like, sometimes we have seasons where, like, we’re in a dry spell. Like, the business is not making money. Like, what the hell? Like, I’m, putting all this effort in, and then it’s like, it’s raining, you know, so. And then. But we make meaning, you know, out of both of those scenarios, we make a lot of meaning out of it. And sometimes it’s just like, there isn’t a lot of meaning to be made. It’s just kind of what is, That’s sort of what was. What I was thinking about before coming onto the call.

There’s this tug of war between wanting to do things right and staying consistent

>> Katya Nova: I’m so glad you bring this up because I feel like there’s this tug of war, especially in our, I would say more finely attuned community.

>> Isha Vela: Attuned to.

>> Katya Nova: There’s many ways to say that, but I’ll keep it nice and diplomatic. there’s this tug of war between wanting to do things right and staying consistent with our morning routines and staying consistent. Consistency, like, everywhere. Right? Consistency is a good thing. We can all agree on that. And on the other side of this rope that we’re tugging on is the cyclical nature of everything around us. Right? Cyclical nature of our bodies. The day and night, the inhale, exhale. When we look around in nature, when we look even at our own bodies, it is fucking impossible to keep shit consistent. There is going to be inhaling forever. Right. You can’t. So even when we get to a place where there’s consistency in our relationship with a human that we love, consistency in the money that’s coming in, let me tell you something. If you are having a human experience on this planet, odds are shit’s gonna go down, right?

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: We’ve all had heartbreak. Deep heartbreak. Beautiful lessons in that. We’ve all experienced, hopefully falling in love and the abundance that comes even energetically, when we’re in love, it seems like everything is coming to us, right?

>> Isha Vela: Yes, yes.

>> Katya Nova: And then when our heart is broken, it feels, on the contrary, like the country song, right, where, like, the dog dies and you lose a job and, like. Oh, right.

>> Isha Vela: It’s just kind of like a cascade of.

>> Katya Nova: So if anything, I feel like it would be just such an exhale, such a. Like, somatically, even, like, can we just relax into the understanding that as much as we want to do the right thing and keep a consistent flow when it comes to money and with love, we’re going to experience different seasons.

>> Isha Vela: Yes. And even the sort of the. When you think about what you see online. Right. The promise of consistent ten k months.

>> Katya Nova: Right.

>> Isha Vela: Or consistent clients. Right. Just. It just doesn’t work that way. And, you know, if it does for you, awesome. Right. But I think for most of us, when I think about, you know, I’m very connected to nature. I. You know, you are as well. And thinking about. Yes, the cyclical nature, but also the chaos. You know, you will. You watch any nature program and you will see it’s like, oh, it’s fucking, There’s order in it, but it’s like. It looks fucking chaotic. Yeah, for sure.

>> Katya Nova: I love it. I also feel like, people really love stories. Like, I really love stories. So, yeah, what. What’s coming through for us right now? Should we tell some juicy stories of heartbreak? And.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, I feel like, like sharing mine because it feels, like, very strongly, like, yes, talk about this. yeah, I feel like, you know, I was. When I was, you know, after I got a, I was separated, and I was in the process of getting a divorce, I was doing a lot of money healing work because I had, you know, come out of my marriage where there was a lot of money trauma and, like, that cycle of, like, make money, and then the next day, it’s gone because it paid all these, like, back pay on bills and debt and all of. And it’s like, oh, my God, it didn’t even last in my bank account. Where did it go? You know? And then, like, dinking and doinking it, like, for the rest of the month with groceries, know, that kind of thing. So I came out of that, like, really determined to heal, like, all the generational trauma around money and sort of that, that cycle that was really trauma based and not natural. And so as I was doing my money healing, I also, at the same time, kind of got into polyamory. It just kind of happened at the same time. And I had this epiphany as I was bringing new people into my life and feeling this, like, oh, I am putting my energy towards this one person, and this one person is kind of, like, more occupied than I would like them to be. Uh-huh but I’m getting it from this person. I’m investing it here, but I’m getting it here. And then I understood all of a sudden the flow of money through the experience of the flow of love, and I was like, oh. And then I started to observe it with money everywhere. Oh, I thought I was going to get money from here, but it came from this random thing that I didn’t know that I was going to get. I was just like, oh, random check from this insurance thing, or, I don’t know. Or just, my dad would send me $200. I was like, oh, this is real magic. And I started to sort of play in that area more. And so that was my reality for a while. And then at the end of 2021, my year ended in, like, a big heartbreak, like, my big love or the person, the new person that I was seeing after divorce was, like, ended it so suddenly, and it was, like, such a shock to my system. And for the whole next year, I couldn’t make a single relationship work. And my business also started to, like, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop. And it was like. And I’m like, I’m. I’m attentive. I’m attuned, like, all the things, right? And I just. One after the other, people kept saying no to me, or there were people that I said no to because I just. It wasn’t in alignment as much as I liked them. It just. My spirit was, like, not there. And I don’t know, I just. I wanted to share that story because it’s, like, there is that movement of, like, sometimes it’s inexplicable, like, why it’s not working. And it was a, you know, 2022 was a terrible year in that sense. And I’ve also gotten to this point where, like, I am one of those people who really believes in, like, doing the inner work of money and expansion, nervous system expansion and trauma, healing and.

Giving also happens in receiving all of life, letting life penetrate you fully

And ancestral whatnot. And there are some things you just can’t fucking control that are maybe part of your astrological chart or that are just, you know, it’s your turn to experience the dark night of the soul, and this is how you’re going to experience it. And some, like, life decides that for you, and you’re just like, okay, I surrendered to it. That’s, you know, all right, cool. I receive that, right? Versus what I want to receive, you know? And sometimes that just is what it is, and we just write it out and receive as much of the learning as possible. Right? That’s also medicine that’s also receiving. And sometimes we forget because we only want to receive the good shit, the stuff that feels good. But receiving also happens in receiving all of life, letting life penetrate you fully. And sometimes that means, like, the medicine doesn’t taste so good.

>> Katya Nova: This is so juicy. Isha.

>> Isha Vela: Whoa. Oh.

Polyamory is a unique experience. Yes. Unique. Um, because polyamory,

>> Katya Nova: So many threads to pull out. I really want to highlight and zero in on this idea that you can invest in one place expecting reciprocity, but actually, reciprocity is much more intelligent in the design, like, in the design of this whatever matrix, video game, whatever we’re in. Yes, it is. It can surprise you and delight you and come from a different place.

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: And it seems like you had a very unique experience.

>> Isha Vela: Unique.

>> Katya Nova: because polyamory, I think for most listener, most of our listeners is, maybe something that they’ve been curious about, but a unique experience. You’ve seen this abundance and this flow of energy in a really extraordinary way. And I’m sure, I hope all of us have had this experience that, if you are in a tight spot and you’re praying for something to shift, an unexpected amount of money will come. Right. It could be a friend, it could be a check in the mail that you absolutely did not expect. That seems to be how this game is designed.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: It’s meant to really open us up so that we have no other choice but to have faith.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, exactly.

>> Katya Nova: And there will be these little miracles, right? Yes.

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: I can think of so many examples where the amount that I needed actually comes in, and it is so damn exact, it is so precise that it really feels like the universe winking at you.

>> Isha Vela: Do you have a story?

>> Katya Nova: Like. Like, how could you ever. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I have so many. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ah. I feel like I really want to share two. And I’ll try to make them quick, but. And, one of them, you. You witnessed me bawling my eyes out.

Katya M. talks about a money pattern she’s had for many years

So, I’m actually going to take this back to a very vulnerable confession about a money pattern that I’ve had for many, many years. And it definitely feels ancestral. my recent, most recent ancestors are ukrainian. I was born there. M. And the pattern that I’m talking about is a feast and famine. It’s not unique to me, for sure. There’s many people who like, yeah, an amount of money comes in, and you’re like, yay, I could do so much with it. And then sooner than you can blink, it feels like it just vanishes through your fingers. Right? So I’ve had this pattern show up for many years. Feast and famine. So a large feast, large amount of money will come in famine. Somehow I bring it, I, manifest bringing it down to zero, even if I don’t want to, you know, in air quotes, something will happen to completely wipe it out. And so, the first time that I noticed it was many years ago, I was living in the Caribbean. I had a thriving photography business, but at that time, I didn’t really have many expenses. And although, like, really significant money was coming in, I wasn’t very good at saving, per se. And so there was a moment where I was like, okay, I’m going to get my shit together, Katya. Like, open a jar, open a different bank account, and, like, start dropping money in. And it was a particularly busy wedding season where within maybe, like, six weeks, I was able to put away $12,000 us. like, I was working my butt off, right? But it felt significant. Like, I made the decision that felt good to make a decision to save, and then within a short amount of time, that felt really empowering, really good to be like, okay, cool. And so I remember looking at this new bank account, feeling so proud of myself, thinking, I can’t wait to watch it grow. Maybe this will turn into a down payment on a condo or something like that. I was. I don’t know, maybe like, 20, 23, 24. So within, I would say, like, three or four days of me feeling super, super proud, something happened. I had a woman, helping me around the house, Carmen, who became my matriarch, my family. So this was in Dominican Republic. And so she was helping with the house. She was helping me with some admin things. And she was a bit older. She came to me crying, and I could see that it was something very serious, because she was never like that. And I said, carmen, what’s wrong? And she said, you know, I don’t even know how to tell you this, but, I just fell, and I have a shoulder injury, and it’s been bugging me, and I didn’t want to tell you. And I went to see, a doctor, and I need surgery. And I just realized that my health, insurance lapsed. And so she, you know, her voice was shaking, and she confessed to me, like, I was her only hope of, you know, paying for the surgery. guess how much the surgery cost.

>> Isha Vela: $12,000.

>> Katya Nova: Precisely. So I had this moment of, like, okay, wait a minute. Of course I’m going to pay for Carmen’s surgery. And there’s something going on here. There’s something else going on here.

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: Like how? Like, what are the chances? And, of course, when something like this happens, it can feel very emotional. It can feel triggering. It can feel hopeless. All of these things get to be true, right? In our experience of feeling like, oh, my God, I saved this up, and now it’s vanished. Do I even. Does it even matter? Any time that I try to save, all my savings get wiped out by some unexpected bill.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: So all of these feelings get to be true, and it’s an invitation to go deeper and look at. Okay, like, how am I manifesting this? What is the underlying energy or m energetic loop that’s playing out? Right. so that, you know, I’ll never forget that. And, of course, I paid for the surgery, and she was, very happy. And. But I’ve really. For a long time, I was like, I had trauma from that. I don’t want to put money in that stupid account again. Like, what else is going to happen? And, we all feel like. Like someone’s going to come and take this from us.

>> Isha Vela: Right. And that. Right. That can, that can trigger a wound as well. Right. Because when your ancestors have. Have had, and have things have had things taken away from them or have lost in a famine, for example. Right. Then that can get activated. Right. And of course, that’s an opportunity to sort of like, that’s where you go deeper. But damn. Yeah, we weren’t expecting that.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah, for sure. For sure. And then, to share a quick story. That’s the kind of the yin to the yang or yang to the yin is, Yeah, it’s been really humbling that, you know, ah. As a breadwinner for, for my family, I, you know, I’ve been working my ass off and I’ve done really beautiful, big projects that are massively abundant and it’s more money that I’ve ever seen in my whole life. And it feels like, oh, my gosh, I can do everything with this money. But then again, these patterns are really tricky because it does not actually matter how much money comes in, if that pattern is alive.

>> Isha Vela: Exactly.

>> Katya Nova: It’ll. It’ll just come in. And so for some people, it may look like, in addition to being very responsible with this money, you might be generous in a couple of places and be like, ah, ah, I can. It feels good.

Recently I’ve stretched myself really, really thin building a home for my family

I can be really generous like this and like that. But because of this pattern of, like, I better spend this so quick that nobody takes it away from me.

>> Isha Vela: Exactly. Exactly. I will get rid of it. Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: I put it in all the good places. All the good places. A little bit here, a little bit there. So I did that. And I, Recently I’ve stretched myself really, really thin, and I’m building a home for my family and for my kiddos. I have four little ones. And I was in a. I was, for the first time in my life, I was in a place where I had to tell my construction crew to stop working because I couldn’t pay them. And that felt really all the things, right, like, what do you feel? Embarrassment, shame, a bit of guilt because they’re relying on this money to feed their families. Right. Like, all of the things. And I’m like, also shame because, like, I did it again. Ugh.

>> Katya Nova: How did I do this again? How I thought I could make it. But then again, unexpected costs showed up. Doesn’t matter. We arrive at the same. At the same situation. And this is the point, interestingly, where we get to remind ourselves to have faith, because really, that’s the only thing that remains, is faith.

>> Katya Nova: It’s like, what else am I going to do? Like, teach me. Work through me, work through my hands, work through my lips. Right?

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: and so we were together in Vegas and, it was a totally unexpected wad of cash that I was not expecting, for a beautiful collaboration. Right, that last year that I was not expecting at all. And there we were, you were there. And I’ll never forget this moment. We were cutting through our beautiful hundred dollar m wagyu beef steaks, and, yeah, I opened this little envelope and I just, I was speechless. I just bawled my eyes out because this amount of money on a check was like, literally what I need to keep things going, you know, to keep in the flow of reciprocity.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, yes.

>> Katya Nova: So it’s like, it’s almost like we, we need these moments in our story, in this unfolding script of our lives. These are the music notes that make the song interesting to listen to.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, yes, absolutely. You’re reminding me of something that happened in, 2018, I think. Yeah. At the end of August. And, my ex husband had, had borrowed a significant amount of money, and I was kind of like, okay, pay me back. You know, we had our money together, but there were parts of our money that we had separate, and this was the separate part. So I was like, okay, so when are you going to pay me back? When are you going to pay me back? yeah. Ah, next month. Next month, next month. And it wasn’t coming, wasn’t coming. And things were already sort of rough between us, so I was kind of like, I want my money, right? I was, like, feeling that kind of energy. And on the way down to a somatic class that I was taking, I had a car accident and I was injured in the car accident. I mean, not significantly, but, you know, my sternum was bruised. I burned my hand with the, with the, that poofy thing, what’s it called?

>> Katya Nova: The airbag.

>> Isha Vela: and then, you know, when all is said and done, right, the car was totaled, but the payment we received from the insurance was the exact amount that he had borrowed. And I put it directly in my bank.

>> Katya Nova: Look at that.

>> Isha Vela: And, it was one of those moments where I was really. I was. I remember having the car accident, and I remember immediately, like, sitting back in my, in my seat, kind of like bouncing back in my seat and being like, why did this happen? Like, wait, what is going on? And I saw this, like, this falcon flying overhead and I was like, okay, all right, I, I’m open because I knew that something was going to come. Like, this was tied into this matrix, this fabric of the bigger plan. And I was like, all right, show me the bigger plan, because I’m here for it.

>> Katya Nova: The body shivers over here, seeing the falcon.

>> Isha Vela: And sometimes it is faith. It is that trust of trusting that you are held, even in moments where you don’t feel like it or where you feel.

Noah says sometimes the universe hates you when something bad happens

Sometimes we get into the story of, like, the universe fucking hates me. Hates my ass right now because this is happening, right? but when I look back, the universe is always kind of like, and here’s the lesson. And here’s the lesson. And it is gentle, even though at the moment it feels harsh. And then you come out of it, and there’s. Sometimes it softens you. It’s kind of like, oh, there’s medicine for me. And then when we share it in a space like this, it’s medicine for other people. It normalizes. It humanizes. It just kind of. It’s kind of a surrender process of, like, yeah, it’s messy. It’s okay. Wow.

>> Katya Nova: Was that the point at which you thought, wow, this might mean, actually, my marriage needs an airbag, too?

>> Isha Vela: Oh, no. That moment came, yes, a couple months later, where I basically opened our accounting books. There weren’t any accounting books, but let’s. Metaphorically speaking, right? I opened up, accounting books, and I was like, oh. Oh, oh, this is. Oh, this is totally messed up. This is, like, botched. This is, like, you know, like. Like a botched surgery. Like, oh, I thought you were going to do this good job. And this is, like, disfigured. This is completely disfigured finances. I got to get out. Like, this is not getting better. And that was just, like, the moment, you know? And ironically, in that moment, I had $30,000 in my, like, in my savings account. And at that same time, as I noticed the dis. Botched finances, he lost his job, and so those $30,000 went to finances his new business so that I could get free. So it’s like, it’s been. It’s been such a journey for me, of, like, you know, there have been dark nights of the soul for me where I’ve been, like, where I’ve had those moments of, like, the universe hates my ass right now or, like, I cannot get out of this, like, really, truly karmic debt. and then when I get out of that, when I move through that, I’m kind of just like, all right, okay. I feel very, like, in acceptance and really much at peace with it, which is, for me, the best place to be. And just, like, I’m just doing the best that I can and putting my foot forward and, you know, as thinking about, like, all the shame, right. That we have around money. Like, I work in financial services. Like, how awful is it that, you know, I have been in these situations? It’s like. Yeah, like, this is. Like, this is life, you know? Like, sometimes you get cancer, sometimes people die. Like, things just happen. Right. And we don’t often know why. Sometimes we. Maybe there’s a why that comes down the road, but sometimes there isn’t any that comes, you know? and that’s part of the surrender process as well. It’s like, okay, so I don’t know. I’m just. I’m going to sit in the boat and kind of. I’m along. I’m, going along with the ride, you know? Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: I love the specific wording that you used with that $30,000 shenanigans. You said you financed that business so that you could get free. And just. If you don’t mind me reflecting back to you how empowered and badass that is. And I’m sure that there was a lot of work that you. You did to get to this place, but it feels so clean when you said that because, I have my own stories with, you know, significant ex, significant others. but when we get to a place where we can tell the story without resentment or stickiness.

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: I just really want to applaud you for. Because you said it. It just rolled off your tongue. But I know that it’s not easy to get. Or maybe it is, but it still doesn’t change the fact that it’s absolutely badass.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Noah. That’s been a journey. And in full transparency, I still have conversations with my ex. He’s not on this earth anymore. but we’d have conversations where I’m just like, damn. Damn, motherfucker. You know? And we kind of have a giggle about it now, you know? So it’s. And there are times where I still feel really, like, helpless or angry and. And then, like, that’s my right. That’s the. My, The emotion. The emotion work is, for me, like, the. You know, like, moving. The energy of those emotions is where I then find that. That peace again and that faith and that trust. Right. Coming back to that, not hanging out there for very long, letting myself feel it, and then coming right back.

>> Katya Nova: Yes.

I’m thinking about relationships and money at the same time

>> Isha Vela: Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: Even the way that we talk about. So I’m thinking about relationships and money at the same time, and the language that we use and we say things like, I lost.

>> Isha Vela: Right?

>> Katya Nova: I lost my investment. Like, I failed. I lost.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, exactly. I failed. I failed. And, yeah, sometimes we use that language like, I failed at marriage. Well, if you put in everything that you could, if you turned over every stone to make it work, you didn’t fail. That was success. Your investment, your willingness to invest was the success. Your willingness to be vulnerable, your willingness to go all in, perhaps was the success, you know?

>> Katya Nova: And we should be able to say the same thing about money.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. Yeah, I lost some money in crypto. Was it earlier this year? I forget. I think it was. No, it was last April, May, June. And that didn’t. Like, that affected me zero, because the triumph of having overcome my fear and terror of, investing in crypto was the reward for me that was already, like, the win, whether or not it, like, you know, paid me back in tangible ways, was like a side dish. It was like dessert, you know, for me, it was like, I overcame this huge hurdle. I did it by myself, and I cried through the process, but when I did it, I was like, I’m a badass. I’m a badass, and I’m going to do it again. So losing the money was kind of like, whatevs, you know? But, yeah, sometimes, like, we have to, like, think beyond the tangible to see, like, where’s the reward, really? Like, where is the learning and the medicine, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

>> Katya Nova: I I remember seeing your bio on your instagram for the first time. I mean, your whole account is just so stunning and eloquent, and anytime there’s a post that comes up of yours, like, I drop everything, and I, like, read. I don’t skim, you know how people don’t read shit anymore, but I read everything you write, and I’ve read, you know, wealth activist, and then you say that it’s spiritual. No, no, no. B’s spiritual. Somatic.

>> Isha Vela: Money. Work. Yeah, work. Work it.

>> Katya Nova: And I remember just being so mesmerized and, like, I get. I get it. But also, what is that? So, maybe in the context of, even the patterns that we’re talking about, I’m just so curious. Like, I can just imagine you in the car with the airbag in your face, right? And all of the epiphanies and ironically, like, you were on your way to a somatic class, right?

>> Isha Vela: Yeah, yeah.

>> Katya Nova: How can we, like, let’s talk about how to use these tools. Like, what do we do with the mess of the human experience.

>> Isha Vela: Oh, my God, the alchemy. Yeah, yeah. Like I was saying just a few moments ago, like, the emotional work, the emotional movement specifically. Right. Because it’s really easy for us. Like, state informs what we believe, our nervous system. State informs our thought patterns. and we have patterns in our nervous system as well. And then they inform pattern thoughts. And so for me, it is really holding the space for my experience, like, from this observer self noticing, like, oh, I’m noticing these thought loops. Interesting. But I’m not getting, like, caught up in them. I’m not in the water. I’m kind of, like, hovering above the water, and I’m just like, oh, yeah, the tide’s looking a little rough, you know? And then if I am feeling. Let’s say I’m feeling money, shame, I don’t, because I know what shame feels like. It feels just like that, almost like that dark sludge or like, that warm wash of just, like, ick. It feels like a little bit like a rat dying in the corner of your basement. It’s just, like, smelly. Waiting for it to, like, pass. I know, very graphic. But that’s how I experience it in my body is just kind of this.

>> Katya Nova: Ugh.

>> Isha Vela: You know? And so I don’t get lost in the story of the shame. I don’t believe this ticker tape of, like, shameful thoughts that are in my head. I’m just kind of, like. I’m letting them pass. I’m letting them kind of, like, run its course. Like, all right, yeah, talk all you want. I’m just going to let you, like, talk until you get tired of talking and eventually just kind of. And then it’s gone. Right. And especially if you can. This is really important. This is what I, like, really teach the core teaching. If you can observe your thoughts and just observe them without getting caught up in them and feel what you’re feeling in your body without believing the thoughts, that’s when the thought and the. And the state and the thinking, they just kind of unhook. M they don’t. They’re not kind of glommed together, not over coupled. So when you can do that, they eventually just kind of, like, the hold just kind of. It doesn’t have anything to hang on to, and it just loosens the charge. The charge, right. The charge is kind of like.

Isha says the absence of charge allows us to feel peace

And it just dies off, and then the thoughts die off. And so then when things happen, like losing that money in crypto, there was no charge. It was kind of like, ah. right. And so, for me, the lack of the absence of charge is. Is the peace, you know, is that kind of, like, all right, we’re good. You know, there’s enough coming in, right? That state of no charge allows us to feel safer with money. It allows us to. To have that faith in crunchy moments. It allows us to step into deeper trust that there is enough and that there’s always enough and that you are held. Right. So that’s why the body work is important. And then the spiritual aspect is, like, the conversations with the ancestors. Like, there was when I was doing my deep money work, I had conversations with my ancestors every day, and they were very clear to me. It was said very clearly to me, that, like, it was. It was like they sacrificed so that we and me, but also, like, this generation, women, right? Femmes. Like, yes, step into your pleasure. Like, have it. Enjoy it. Like, don’t just give it all away or don’t live this life of, like, service without, like, giving to. No, enjoy it. like, have that sensual, slow life. Really. Like, we sacrificed so that you didn’t have, like, you don’t have to. Like, they were very, very clear with me on that. So I’m just like, okay. I just. That’s my mission. And my mission is, like, whether or not there’s a lot of money in my bank or not, that experience of pleasure that remains. That is my consistency as much as possible. Right. Because it’s like, I get shaken up, too, but as much as possible. That’s like, yes. Like, this beautiful glass of lemon water is my pleasure right now. Talking to you is my pleasure right now. Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: Oh, that’s so beautiful, isha. I’ve had experiences like that as well. I’m sure those who are tuning in to sit and have tea with us right now maybe, have had those experiences, too. And it’s like, actually, when you were talking about shame and then peace, I had this epiphany. Do you know the vibrational scale of emotion?

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: So it’s really cool because it’s not like, woo, woo, okay? It’s measured like it’s measurable.

>> Isha Vela: It’s science.

>> Katya Nova: It’s science.

>> Isha Vela: Okay?

>> Katya Nova: And so this, vibrational scale. And anybody could look it up very easily online. What was really, surprising to me when I first saw it was that, okay, so we would deduce that, like, sure, guilt and shame are, the lowest vibration, but I would have thought that joy would be the highest vibration, when, in fact, the highest vibration is dun dun dun. it’s peace.

>> Isha Vela: Oh, I didn’t know that one.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah. And so that was so beautiful when you. When you talked about what happens when the charge dissipates and it goes from the lowest vibration that we can experience to peace. And so, when we talk about this is actually feeling like a super actionable item for us to take away from this conversation in moments when you’re feeling these states, becoming the observer to just allow the charge to unhook.

>> Isha Vela: yes.

>> Katya Nova: It can feel so simple, but it’s so profound.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. And I think the place where we often don’t give ourselves permission is to really feel all the way through will feel a little bit. But because we don’t have the tolerance level, because we’re telling ourselves stories about it, we clamp down on the feeling so we don’t let ourselves really experience the shame. Right. Because it feels so awful. It feels like we’re assaulting ourselves. But if you’re not, if you’re not getting entangled in the thoughts, then you can really hold space for it. That is like, the big difference for me. And then you alchemize it through movement, or you just take a walk outside. Like, it can be that simple.

>> Isha Vela: For me, I like. Because I feel my emotions very intensely, like I need, like a bicycle or something. I need to, like, pedal, pedal, pedal, you know, kind of thing, or lift weights and feel a sense of power as I’m feeling like this. Ugh. right. Whatever the, happens to be. Yeah.

M: Money is not this static energy that we think it is

>> Katya Nova: Well, so this seems to be, an emerging theme, this idea of movement. Right. We’re talking about somatic practices, but also moving money. That money is not this static energy that we. We need to hold on to. Scared that someone’s going to take it from us. So as important it is, I feel like we’re taught to save, save. Like I was. My parents always said, save, save, save, and it felt like I need to hold on to it.

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: Not the nature of money. It’s not the nature of relationships either. Right. The more you hold on to love.

>> Isha Vela: Exactly. Yes. Let’s go there. Yeah. Because it is really similar for me. Yes. Because of the energy of, like, he or she is mine or they’re mine. Right. That’s not what love. How love wants to flow, because it is not in flow if that’s happening. Right. And money also wants to flow in the same way that love does. It wants to like money. M is very like, it’s very, like, flirty. It’s like, oh, I want to go over here and I want to go over there, and I want to see you, and I want to talk to you.

>> Katya Nova: So, are you saying money is polyamorous?

>> Isha Vela: Maybe. I definitely got that impression.

>> Katya Nova: Makes sense to me.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. I mean, that’s kind of. That’s how I experience. I mean, I’m sure everybody has their perception, but, yeah, I just had the feeling of, like, the energy of money is very much kind of like a social butterfly. Kind of like, oh, yeah, oh, let’s do this, and let’s do that. Like, it gets excited around, like, let’s say, projects, maybe, for you, it’s like a social impact project. It’s like money gets really excited about that. So just being in that co creator energy of you in relationship to money, like, ooh, what can we create together? What can we do together? Can we think of a specific amount that we want to have to do this to get this done? Have money be your co conspirator and your partner in this project? Yeah, that’s how I like to think of it.

>> Katya Nova: I love that. And, an energy that’s neutral, like, can we please just stop thinking of money as evil? Please? It’s neutral. And this is why I’m so passionate about doing the work that we do, because money in the hands of women and femmes affects our families, affects our communities. We know what to do with the money.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. There’s actually studies that prove that. There’s, like, studies that have proven that that is true.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah, it’s science.

>> Isha Vela: Okay, we’re bringing the science today.

You and I collaborated on the wealthy woman vault last year

>> Katya Nova: Well, you and I collaborated on such a beautiful project last year, the wealthy woman vault. It was an explosion in our little corner, in our communities, and that was a. The motto, that’s the slogan, kind of naturally arose. Moving money through the hands of women. It was really, really beautiful.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: What was that whole experience like for you?

>> Isha Vela: it was very unique because I had my husband passed away, my ex husband passed away just as it was launching. So there was that, but I think it was this. The moving money through the hands of women was a very powerful slogan or tagline for me because that’s exactly the way that I experienced. The energy of money is really like that. Yep. It’s almost like a game of hot potato. It gets passed around, and you get to have it. You get to have and you get to. So that felt really aligned to me. And it just, like, it just threw me into this, like I did, you know, deep dive. I was just getting started in financial services, and then there was this flood of women coming in and you know, wanting financial strategies. And really, for me, it was the year. Last year was the year where I got really confident with my management skills, where I’m just like, I love, like, for me, it was like, the way I think of doing a strategy for somebody is like, let me organize your money, just like, I would organize your closet. Like, I’m gonna make little boxes and the little accounts for you here, and I’m going to do this and I’m going to. We’re going to put this away, and this doesn’t need to be here. We’re going to put that over there. You know, that’s kind of, that’s where I really enjoy that work. So that was a, big, huge confidence boost. It changed my identity around money. Yeah. Literacy. It was like a deep dive into literacy.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah. And we’re gonna do it again.

>> Isha Vela: And we’re gonna do it again and. Yes. And, you know, when the, by the time, you know, you’re, you listener, you’re listening to this. Like, we’re in the, we’re in the launch period of the wealthy woman 2024. So, yeah, we’re right in it. Yeah. And the time of this recording is, you know, a couple weeks prior to opening those doors, but by the time this airs, we’ll be in. In the juiciness of that launch. Yeah.

Last year, over 13,000 people bought tickets for Wealthy Woman 2024

You want to talk about that a little bit?

>> Katya Nova: I mean, yeah, a little bit. It’s so. It’s so neat to hear you say. To hear you say it, like, I have butterflies. And even the word wealthy woman, that phrase is a little bit like, oh, like, how does that feel in my body? Right? Because, like, am I allowed. Are we allowed to say that? Right, because wealth is kind, of a kind of loaded term, much like, you know, many others. But I would say for me, it was the realization that wealth is actually not about money at all.

>> Isha Vela: Right.

>> Katya Nova: It’s about. For me, it’s about two things. Mostly, it’s about time. My ability to have time with my children, my ability to just have freedom. Time, freedom. I know that it feels like a unicorn for some people. For many people, yeah. But it is, to me, that’s wealth. And the second piece is generosity.

>> Isha Vela: Yes. Ooh, I like that. Generosity. Yeah. The ability to be generous. The freedom to be generous.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that. That’s why I’m actually really proud. Even. I feel like the name in itself is a bit of a transmission. Wealthy Woman 2024. Because it inadvertently asks the question of, like, even you listening? How do you feel if you were to buy a ticket to an event called Wealthy Woman 2024. It’s kind of like, am I allowed at that club? Am I wealthy? Do I. Do I have the permission to even dream that I can be? Is it hard for me to be a wealthy woman? Does it feel achievable? Is that a. You know, is that a dream of mine? Or do I kind of secretly or not so secretly despise women who are like, people who are wealthy, but then I want women to be wealthy. It’s kind of like, oh, I don’t.

>> Isha Vela: Know how I feel. I can already feel like, the scramble of, you know, all of that, and I like that.

>> Katya Nova: Right? Like, there’s shit disturbers and in the best way.

>> Isha Vela: And when you purchase your ticket, when you decide to come in, you are making a decision that you are wealthy, regardless of your circumstances, regardless of where you’ve been and what you’ve experienced. You’re deciding in that moment when you press the button that this is for you, that you get to have it, that you get to live that experience, too.

>> Katya Nova: Yes.

>> Isha Vela: Giving yourself permission in that moment. That’s how I. That’s how I think of it, you know, you’re saying yes to yourself, like, fuck, yes.

>> Katya Nova: Fuck, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, you’re giving me butterflies. This feels so good. We, last year, there were over 13,000 people who bought tickets and said yes. So it was a really massive ripple effect on the. Yeah. On our communities. And this year, I imagine we’re conservatively hoping to double that number. Everything is virtual, so literally, you can attend from your couch. and last year, so many people were saying, hundreds of people were saying that just even one transmission, any one of the classes or transmissions was worth the ticket price alone, which we’re making super duper affordable.

>> Katya Nova: yeah.

What are you doing differently this year versus last year

>> Isha Vela: What are you doing differently this year? What’s different about this year versus last year?

>> Katya Nova: Oh, that’s such a good question. A few things. The most important is that we are going deeper. I feel like wealthy woman last year was we’re just getting our feet wet a little bit. We talked about energetics of money, a little bit about crypto, a bit about investing, but we weren’t, we didn’t go too deep. This year is about rolling up our sleeves and saying, okay, let’s make an effing plan. It’s time to make a plan. Like all, you know, cute, talking about manifestation practices. It’s cute. It’s wonderful. It’s necessary. But you know what? Put your big girl pants on. Let’s make a plan. Because you know what I realized, and this, may be for a while, it was another embarrassing thing to admit, but I did not have a plan. I’m a mother of four. I am moving and shaking and doing all of these things. I didn’t have a plan for my money. And guess what happens when you don’t have a plan. Most of us know that. And then, isha, I noticed that most women I know, even badass, successful, high earning leaders, don’t have a plan either.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: What?

>> Isha Vela: I know. I know. And it’s just. Yeah, I don’t even know what to say about it. But in this process of, like, a deepening in financial services and doing plans for people, I’m just kind of like. I’ve become a geek for structure. M right. And I. You know, I know that in a lot of spiritual communities, there’s this, idea of structure being masculine. I’m just like, throw that out the window. I think of, like, I don’t know. I don’t assign a gender to structure. I just think it’s hot. I love it.

>> Katya Nova: I know.

>> Isha Vela: I love it. You want to be. Yes, exactly. It’s. It’s being held, and it’s also holding yourself. Right. Like, when I did my plan with my advisor, Claire, as you know, I felt like I was. I felt like I was holding myself in the ways that I always wanted to be held by a partner. I was doing it, and it was just as sexy. It didn’t make it any less sexy that it was me. In fact, it was kind of like, oh, I can give that to myself. Like, oh, you know, it was just such a, And that’s what that was my in. That was like, oh, I want to teach other people how to do that, or I want other people to feel that way. That was my. Yes. In that moment of, like, how empowering that felt. Right. We outsource love, we outsource our belonging needs, and we outsource, like, our worthiness to our partners. But, in fact, like, we can give it to ourselves, and we can hold ourselves in the ways that we want to be held by partners, by money. Like, we can do that.

>> Katya Nova: That’s it.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah.

>> Katya Nova: Boom. That’s it. I know. You’re getting me so fired up because this right here, you know, and it comes from pain, right?

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: That whole thing will turn your pain into power.

This year’s Wealthy Woman 2024 will be teachers from around the world

Well, we’re doing.

>> Isha Vela: We’re doing all right.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah. We’re doing it in a really fun. In a super fun way. Super, super fun way. If the event is three days. There are transmissions that are kind of TED talk style every hour on the hour so people can tune in anytime. And, of course, you know, time zones are a bit tricky, but we’ve had so many people say over the years, over the last couple of years, that they tune in, like, they wake up at three in the morning or go to bed. They’re like, I couldn’t tear myself away because it was so fun and inspiring. And there’s the music and the prizes, and it’s really fun.

>> Isha Vela: Yes, yes.

>> Katya Nova: And this year, this is what I’m nervous and excited about most. I decided to gather the teachers so not everyone could travel, but just the teachers. I’m putting in a gorgeous villa in the desert to see what will happen if we teach from the same location and, like, marinate and mastermind. And then we get to really amplify each other’s voices, hearts, visions, and teach from that place. So everyone who gets a ticket gets to have the front row seat into this really, unique alchemical process of how we all obviously will have conversations about investing and money behind the scenes. what else is really cool? Last year, this woman, Gia, won, the grand prize, which was $11,000 cash. And it just so happened that she’s a single mother of five. That makes me so, so happy. Yeah, so she was able. We stayed friends. We stayed in touch. We became friends. It was really beautiful to watch how she used that money to help build a home in Jamaica for her kids. Of course, she needed much more than $11,000, but it. It really went a long way. It helped a lot. So that was really beautiful. And, she already knows, so it’s not much of a surprise. We kept it as a surprise for her for a little while. We are bringing her back. We’re flying her, to this container with teachers so that this time we can create a beautiful case study and help her give her a chunk of money again, but this time, help her invest it. And I know that most of us are going to see ourselves in some way in her story, whether we are single mothers or not. It’s like, what do we actually do? What if we have a little bit of money? What if we have more? How do we allocate it? What do we put it into? And so we’re bringing her in, and it just makes me so emotional.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah, yeah. I’m just here shaking my head because I’m just like, shit, man.

>> Katya Nova: So we just. We just booked her ticket, and she’s coming. So it’s going to be really nice for her, obviously, to have a bed to herself and, like, take some rest, away from kiddos. But this, to me, is it, like, this is what I wake up and go to bed dreaming of, is for us to have this light go on that. If she can do it, so can.

>> Isha Vela: I. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, my gosh. So if you’re listening, we’re going to include the links to the wealthy Woman 2024. Obviously, in the show notes. All of that is going to be included. yeah. And so you can find Katya on instagram at Nurturingnovas and, yeah, we’ll see you inside. Wealthy Woman 2024. My brain is exploding just thinking about being at that villa. Okay. Like, I’m just like, oh, shit. I am just like, oh, my God. Like, who makes this shit up? You do. I love it.

>> Katya Nova: I love it. I just thought, like, what, what would happen if I bring together some of the most brilliant, heart centered, compassionate creatives in the. In the arena, in the field of financial literacy?

>> Isha Vela: Yeah, it’s that.

>> Katya Nova: I know, like, what’ll happen.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah, it’s genius. Because of course, we think of that and we think of, oh, I’m going to bring it all together into one right online. But you’re taking it another step by having us be in person, having us experience this each other.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah. Teachers and as the holders of the. The wisdom that is needed right now. Right. Because there. There are. There is advice out there that is very much outdated.

>> Isha Vela: Yes.

>> Katya Nova: We don’t know who to trust. Right.

>> Isha Vela: So I really want contradictory information.

>> Katya Nova: Exactly.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katya is bringing together some of the brightest minds in financial education

>> Katya Nova: So. So this is what’s exciting to me. I just want to be around, you know, I did it very selfishly just for myself. So what do I do?

>> Isha Vela: Totally, totally, yeah.

>> Katya Nova: Because my hope and prayer is that by creating this container and then allowing the entire world to get a ticket to see, you know, to have the front row seat from their couches all over the world to this alchemical, experience, I would say, experiment in financial. It really is that we can distill and come up with a really cohesive, harmonious way to set people on a path and help people create a plan. Because every plan is going to be different, your circumstances different. And the teachers that I’m bringing together, many have, I would say, really unique and complementing views on how to invest, what to invest. So you’re really getting a sharpen cooter board of some of the most brilliant ideas when it comes to financial literacy. And so you can pick and choose what resonates with you because we want to empower you. Right. Like, no one’s here to tell you this is how you should invest because we don’t know your situation, we don’t know your risk tolerance.

>> Isha Vela: Right, exactly. Exactly. And it’s very, like, you know, the people that you’ve chosen, you know, are very sort of like emerging, like new. Emerging voices and new strategies. Very much like, cutting edge.

>> Katya Nova: Yeah, yeah.

>> Isha Vela: Very exciting. Thank you so much for this conversation. This was, like, the best tea, the best tea talk I’ve had.

>> Katya Nova: I had kombucha.

>> Isha Vela: Yeah. I had lemon water, but it was hot. Yummy tea to me. Thank you so much, Katya.

>> Katya Nova: I loved it. I’m going to go dance again.

>> Isha Vela: Awesome. Yes. Thank you for listening to today’s episode. Remember to hit the subscribe button to get notified of new episodes dropping on the new and full moons of each month. And if you haven’t already, leave us a five star review on iTunes. To make sure that everyone who needs this transmission receives it. Until the next episode, I’m sending you fierce, fierce love.